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Ewa Michalak PL Mak 60k

Producent
Ewa Michalak
Model
PL Mak
Rozmiar z metki
60k
Rozciągliwość obwodu
W spoczynku: 53 cm
Po naciągnięciu: 74 cm
Kolor
Rodzaj
plunge
Noszony przez właścicielkę?
tak
Ogólna ocena
4
Recenzja

Sorry this is in English, I hope someone here can read it! I wanted a different perspective on bra fitting since all the other forums I belong to are British/American.

I love the fit of this bra. The cups fit well, the band is firm but comfortable. My only complaint is that the wires poke me in the armpits and the side of the cups is a little high, but this is a problem I have with all bras due to my height and breast position on my body.

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  • Neith
    Neith · 25-06-13 20:55 · do góry^

    Hi there, welcome to Balkonetka :)
    First of all - could you please add more pics from different perspectives (front view and side view)? You can only add one file here, but you can use MSPaint or some other graphic software to combine the photos together. This would allow us to see how exactly does the bra fit you :)

    As for EM's bras - they tend to go tight in the band. So for you 68cm you could easily go with a 65 band - with a 65JJ you might get a bit less armpit-poking wires (also they wouldn't be pulled by the band so hard and that would also result in less poking experience ;)).

    Also,, I think that the HM or CHP style would fit you better in this matter - in my experience, they have a bit shorter (not narrower) wires and sides (or at least this applies to the ones I own). But I don't see any HP or CHP in your size available in Ewa's store... You'd probably have to write her an email - this would also allow her to give you some of her thought about the fit here :)

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  • simeri
    simeri · 25-06-13 21:12 · do góry^

    it's not your body it's the wrong size. the band is too tight and the cup probably too big, you should try 70gg as the Ewa Michalak's calculator sais
    http://www.ewa-michalak.pl/Size-Calcu...

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  • emeska
    emeska · 25-06-13 21:13 · do góry^

    It is hard to judge based on only one photo but in my opinion the wire is too wide for you. Probably it's because of too tight band, have you tried 65j? I guess that if he band was a little bit looser and the cups smaller (and also lower), it would fit much better and would be more comfortable. Of course I know that 60k = 65jj but it my opinion if the band is looser, cups with the same volume will be too big for your breasts.

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  • missalchemist
    missalchemist · 25-06-13 21:22 · do góry^

    Welcome :) Sorry for my English, I'll try my best :D

    First of all, try to take more and better photos, for example like Tula's photos here:
    http://balkonetka.pl/katalog/bra/frey...

    It would be easier to us to tell, how the bra fits.

    Now I think this bra has too tight band for you - I have 68 cm underbust with very tight measure, 70 tight and 73 loose and wear Ewa Michalak's bras with band 70. I can't even image how to breath in 60 cm band ;) You may not feel that way, because the cups are too big - part of them is acting as a band, the wires are much, much too wide. Wires are really important for support - if they're too wide, they can't keep the breast in right place. I think that 70H should have better wires for you. 65HH, if you want the band to be very tight.

    Important thing - that's plunge style bra. It would never ever ever give you that kind of support like sport bra. It's something you have to deal with ;)

    I hope you understood what I wrote, my English is really, really poor and I should be ashamed because of that :P

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  • missalchemist
    missalchemist · 25-06-13 21:36 · do góry^

    And maybe you should look at Nathd's profile:
    http://balkonetka.pl/katalog/bra/ewa-...

    Or KasKas
    http://balkonetka.pl/katalog/bra/ewa-...

    They didn't take a band too tight for them and they bras fits better ;) Band are not too loose, because the wires are just right for them.

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  • effuniak
    effuniak · 25-06-13 22:14 · do góry^

    Napiszę po polsku, mam nadzieję, że jakaś dobra duszyczka przetłumaczy :

    Moim zdaniem miski robią za obwód.
    Sprawdź po zdjęciu stanika gdzie odbija się fiszbina czyli gdzie jest ślad po niej , a gdzie naprawdę kończy się wypukłość piersi.
    Wcale nie jest prawdą, że dobrze jest w stanie trzymać tylko ekstremalnie ciasny obwód.
    Jesli miski będą zbyt duże, to nawet najciaśniejszy obwód nie da odpowiedniego wsparcia.
    Dopiero kombinacja - dobra miska + odpowiedni obwód odpowiednio sobie radzą z biustem.
    W za dużej misce biust zwyczajnie wpada i mimo stanika i tak "dynda". Za duża miska daje uczucie luzu ponieważ biust nie jest odpowiednio przytrzymany.
    Podstawowym błędem w takim wypadku jest mocne zani zanie obwodu z jednoczesnym powiększaniem miski .
    Wtedy wszystkie punkty konstrukcji czyli fiszbiny, ramiączka a nawet szczyt biustu przesuwają się pod pachę i są nieodpowiedniej wielkości do rozmiaru jaki powinien być .
    Stąd , tak jak tu widzę, problem ramiaczek wychodzących spod pachy , stąs problem zbyt wysokich fiszbin a i miski sprawiają wrażenie zbyt dużych, nie dających podparcia.
    Dobrze radzą dziewczyny - zdecydowanie lużniejszy obwód i mniejsza miska spowodują zarówno poprawę wygody użytkowania jak i znacznie lepsze wsparcie dla Twoich piersi.

    Mam nadzieję, że do jutroa wieczorem uda mi się już wstawić mały reportaż wyjaśniający różnice między stanikiem dobrzea źle dobranym stanikiem.
    Mam nadzieję, że to pomoże lepiej zrozumieć mój punkt widzenia :)

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  • laliho
    laliho · 25-06-13 22:32 · do góry^

    It's totally too tight. Like Effuniak says cup may be too big. When you take off this bra try to check if marks left by wires are right behind your breast. I can bet that they are not.
    I hope someone can translate full comment from Effuniak, unfortunatelly I'm in rush and don't have enough time. Good luck :)

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  • laliho
    laliho · 25-06-13 22:36 · do góry^

    About those wires poking you right in your armpits. When Effuniak bras fit, there's not chance for this. There are smaller girls and they don't have this kind of problems.

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  • Neith
    Neith · 25-06-13 23:28 · do góry^

    Okay, here goes an attempt to translate Ewa's comment (a bit freestyle) :)

    "In my opinion, the cups act as a part of the band here.
    After taking the bra off, check where you have the marks left by the underwires - if ther are right where your breast tissue ends (not further to the back).
    It's not true that only an extremely tight bra can give you enough support.
    If the cups are too big, then even the tightest band won't give you the support you need.
    Only the combo of a good cup size and good band size can handle your breasts well.
    In a cup that is too big, your boob simply "falls" in it and sorta dangle there, even thou you're wearing a bra. When the cup is too big, you get a feeling tha the bra is loose, because your breasts don't get enough support.
    A fundamental error in such case is having the band size decreased even more while getting a bigger cup size in the same time.
    In this case, all of the bra's structural points (?) - the underwires, straps, even the point where the summit (peak? top?), start moving towards your armpit and their size is inadequate to the size they should actually be.

    Thus, as I can see here, the issue with the straps coming out from underneath your arms. Thus the problem with the underwires going too high up under your armpits and the cups looking like they are too big for you and not providing enough support. Girls are giving you good advices - go up with the band size and down with the cup size and this will improve you both the comfort of the bra and will give a much better support for your breasts.

    I hope that by tomorrow evening I'll manage to upload a small report explaining the differences between a well-fitted and ill-fitted bra. Hope that it'll help to understand better my point of view :)"

    Okay, did I do good? Does this sound even remotely similar to English? :D

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 26-06-13 06:00 · do góry^

    Wow, thanks for all the responses! Here is my reasoning for having chosen this size, since everyone seems to be of the agreement that cups are too big and band is too small:

    I agree that in this model, and really most others from Ewa Michalak, I could probably wear a 65 band (which is what the Ewa Michalak calculator recommends to me, my very very tight underbust measurement is 64 cm). The only exception I have found to this is the Karmelki, which stretches much farther than either other 60 band Effuniak that I own.

    As far as going down in cup size, however, I am extremely skeptical. The first bra I ordered from Ewa Michalak was 2 cups smaller than this one, a 60J PL Lilia. I will add pictures for it to my drawer shortly, but it was very small for me. Admittedly, the band on the PL Lilia was also too tight for me, but even with an extender to make it equivalent to a 65 band (65HH through sister sizing), the cups were too small.

    My calculator size from Ewa Michalak is a 65H, when I get one (I have one being sent to me to try on), I will post pictures of it here (since everyone is suggesting my calculator size!).

    Thank you again for reading my post in English, I felt quite pretentious writing it but really wanted to hear your input :) I will definitely be adding more bras to my Balkonetka drawer in the future, perhaps I should pick up some Polish to help ;)

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  • Neith
    Neith · 26-06-13 08:35 · do góry^

    I understand that somehow you might be afraid to go down a cup size, but you have to understand one thing - when a band is too tight, it simply pulls the cup to your sides and back, making it seem smaller. If you do a test with wearing a 60K first and then a 65JJ (which should have a cup that is the same size actually) - the second one would seem like it has a bigger cup. And if you hop into a 70J - this one would seem like the cup is way too big ;)
    With a bigger band you get like... more cup capacity in the front. Here, some of it is on the sides, which you actually don't want, because I can't see much women with boobs under their arms :)))

    Try the 65 band (even the 70! what the heck, right? :D) and you'll see what Ewa meant with the cups :) Actually we have a name for that here (too small band with too big cup that seems almost too small) - orange in a glass. Visualise it :D

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 26-06-13 09:57 · do góry^

    My main concern with this is that even when the band is not fastened, that is simply where the wire sits on me (sorry for the hastily taken picture!): http://imgur.com/XzaHBag In this picture, all I've done is scoop my breast into the cup, and the band is not fastened to be able to stretch it. Oh, and although you cannot see it, the cup is still being filled out, without any gaping.

    Obviously I will still be trying your method (in 65H, my calculator size)! But I think you can see my worry! And we have "orange in a glass" in the English forums too, but we use to to refer to when a wire is too narrow for the whole breast to fit into the cup, and it creates empty space at the bottom (even though the volume of the cup overall is too small for the breast). Generally used for shallow breasts, since their tissue is so spread out.

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  • Neith
    Neith · 26-06-13 10:51 · do góry^

    We had two articles here about different types of "orange in the glass" situation - most common one was when the wires were too wide (or too stretched by the band) and the cup was like... flat. This would cause the boobs to fill in the center of the cups perfectly and even bulge above them, while the sides of the cups remained empty.

    As for the newest picture addition - try to loosen the straps a bit and maybe (if possible) try to bend a bit the parts of the wires that are under your arms, so that they point more upwards than now. It most probably will not help with them poking you it your armpits, but you'll see how the changed cup shape affects the fit :)

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  • AddieB
    AddieB · 26-06-13 11:04 · do góry^

    Hi here's my advice :)
    In my opinion, the picture showing the position of the wire when the bra isn't fastened won't tell us anything. You should take off your bra, raise your arm and then check the marks that the wire leaves on the side of your breast.
    Raising your arm will help you determine where the bulge of your breast begins and thus make easier to evaluate the width of underwire. They should sit right next to your breasts. If there is any gap between the wire marks and the bulge, the wires are too wide for you.

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  • kasienka_b
    kasienka_b · 26-06-13 11:55 · do góry^

    Orange in a glass is exactly what you wrote - I think that Neith had something different in mind - "wrapping yourself with the cups" :)

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  • Neith
    Neith · 26-06-13 15:46 · do góry^

    No, no - I meant exactly what I wrote :)
    I has Panache Shanghai bra for a very brief moment - I bought it and it looked exactly how I described it. And I was told that that was the "orange in a glass" effect ;)

    Also, Mauzonka wrote two articles about that and in one of them that's the exact situation:
    http://balkonetka.pl/2008/5/20/pomara...

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  • kasienka_b
    kasienka_b · 26-06-13 21:45 · do góry^

    I didn't see your second comment while I was writing mine :)
    I thought you had wrapping with the cups in mind :)

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  • AddieB
    AddieB · 27-06-13 13:37 · do góry^

    @ rhoffman3769

    Have you checked the width of underwires in the way I described in my previous comment? I believe it is absolutely crucial to determine the right wire width for your breasts. Cup which is too wide not only doesn't give you proper support (regardless of the band's length) but also may lead to what can be called "reversed migration" - meaning it may make your breast tissue move permanently under your armpits - make your boobs loose definition from the sides. I'm writing this because all the bras you uploaded seem to wide (I may be wrong of course. Each person is different and requires individual approach).

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 27-06-13 19:52 · do góry^

    I have, sorry for not responding about it! The wires of the PL Mak are very slightly too wide for me, based on marks. The marks are about 2 cm behind where my breast tissue starts. The Comexim wires were perfect.

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  • AddieB
    AddieB · 28-06-13 00:10 · do góry^

    2cm seems small, but it can make a difference :) It adds 4cm (almost one size!) to the length of your band. I agree with emeska that 65J might be better for you in this style.

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 28-06-13 06:49 · do góry^

    Obviously I've taken all of your advice into account, but I wanted to give you some more pictures since I only uploaded one for this: http://imgur.com/a/r2TFI

    The first picture shows the width of the wires before I fasten the band, to try to show that it is not being pulled very much by the band tightness. The wires before and after fastening the band are actually almost exactly in the same spot, though I agree they are too wide for me.

    The second picture is the profile with the band fastened.

    The third picture is a picture of the band from the back to ensure you that I am not wearing my bra SO tight, I still get the "Ewa bow", I'm not wearing it so tight that it is straight ;) Though I know you might want my to wear it looser.

    I feel that how far the wire extends under my arm is partially just how it goes in this size, I looked around Balkonetka and the closest comparison I could find was this 70JJ: http://balkonetka.pl/katalog/bra/ewa-... where you can see her wires end similarly far back. All the other Ewa Michalaks I could find were much smaller cups.

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 28-06-13 06:50 · do góry^

    Also, apologies for the slightly dirty bra, I took the pictures at night, and it gets up to 38 C here, so my bras definitely get a little dirty by the end of the day :/

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 28-06-13 07:31 · do góry^

    Ok ladies, actually ignore my previous album of photos... I put on the bra a different way and I think it was much more successful!! I loosened the straps a lot, and when I put it on, while pulling my breast into the cup, I made sure it stayed narrow instead of getting pulled out! Here are pictures of the result: http://imgur.com/a/AzEEw

    I think the fit is MUCH improved!! The wires sit with my breasts instead of behind them, and the bra feels much more stable. I included the picture of the band again, as it really does not cause me any discomfort, and now that I've loosened the straps it doesn't seem to affect the fit like it was before. I feel like the Ewa bow that is still happening will hopefully prove to you guys that I'm not wearing it so tight as to hurt myself or anything! That being said, I will still be buying from Ewa now that she only makes 65 bands, so I guess you'll be seeing me in looser bands in the future!

    This adjustment did make the cups slightly too large, but re-inserting the included push up pads fixed all the empty space I was experiencing.

    So what do you think of the loosened-straps fit?

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 28-06-13 10:00 · do góry^

    I posted this just in general but haven't gotten any response, so I thought maybe if I put it as a reply at least one person would see it ;)

    Ok ladies, actually ignore my previous album of photos... I put on the bra a different way and I think it was much more successful!! I loosened the straps a lot, and when I put it on, while pulling my breast into the cup, I made sure it stayed narrow instead of getting pulled out! Here are pictures of the result: http://imgur.com/a/AzEEw

    I think the fit is MUCH improved!! The wires sit with my breasts instead of behind them, and the bra feels much more stable. I included the picture of the band again, as it really does not cause me any discomfort, and now that I've loosened the straps it doesn't seem to affect the fit like it was before. I feel like the Ewa bow that is still happening will hopefully prove to you guys that I'm not wearing it so tight as to hurt myself or anything! That being said, I will still be buying from Ewa now that she only makes 65 bands, so I guess you'll be seeing me in looser bands in the future!

    This adjustment did make the cups slightly too large, but re-inserting the included push up pads fixed all the empty space I was experiencing.

    So what do you think of the loosened-straps fit?

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  • missalchemist
    missalchemist · 28-06-13 10:21 · do góry^

    Great idea to loose straps - now cups are not that high ;) But at all your photos you stand extremely straight, your hands are behind you - if the cups are little too big, that position may hide it. It's better to have arms down, longwise, along ( can't tell wihich word will be better for polish "wzdłuż") your body. It may be caused by perspective, but just try natural posistion.

    We have that rule: bra should fit in natural posistion. Padded bras often seem to be too big, when our back is not straight (again, I don't know the word for "garbić się"), but they also seem to be too small, when we stand extremely straight and have our hand behind us.

    The wires also look a little too wide, but not as much as before.

    Now something about Ewa's bras. 60K =/= 65JJ. In fact, 65JJ>60K>65J. There are little differences between 65JJ and 60K and it makes me think 65JJ will be too big. In bigger band the wires should be a little more narrow and not that high under your armpits. Maybe I't will be better for you to buy a bigger band, even if you'll have to use middle hooks ;)

    So I recommend trying 65J in plunges and 65HH in open cups like CHP. I can't tell anything about S and SM, because I don't have one.

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  • missalchemist
    missalchemist · 28-06-13 10:25 · do góry^

    And it is possible 65HH in PL may be better than 65J, it's really hard to tell. That's why I hate ordering by the Internet, I can never tell, which size will be the best for me. Thanks God, I live in Łódź ;D

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 28-06-13 10:45 · do góry^

    It makes sense that I would need a 65J in this, since it fits well with the pads in after put it on this way. I can see what you mean about not being able to tell between 65HH or 65J - this is why I hate being a "custom" size! I'll just wait to buy anything more until after the 65H I'm borrowing comes and I can post pictures of it here, it will be easier to determine how many cups too small it is (if any!).

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  • PinUpGirl
    PinUpGirl · 28-06-13 12:16 · do góry^

    "Maybe I't will be better for you to buy a bigger band, even if you'll have to use middle hooks ;)"

    I agree. We used to choose bands, which fit good only fasten on first row of hooks, because more of bands were widening. It's not good method for all women. Same persons need to use every row during a day, also bands can widen more, iif we take them too tight.

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  • vesela_krava
    vesela_krava · 28-06-13 12:36 · do góry^

    the fit on your latest photos is better indeed:) it seems that you're petite and you need very narrow underwires. I'd like to see you in the S or SM style. some girl say that they run a little bigger in the cups, especially SM.

    I have also a general observation about finding a bra that fits - I prefer the band to be the loosest possible, the cups the smallest possible and I ajdust the straps also the loosest possible. Obviously, my breast is much smaller than yours and I need less support, but I think you should try to put your bras on differently (like you did with this one!), and you'll understand how it can affect the fit and make you change the size:)

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  • PinUpGirl
    PinUpGirl · 28-06-13 13:42 · do góry^

    I know an another brand with very narrow wires, Dalia, but I don't know they offer a foreign trade.
    http://www.dalia.pl/
    http://www.twojabielizna.pl/ shop on-line
    Unfortunately, I can't see an English version :(.
    They have caps up to Polish "M", but same size are invisible in the browser. They say that they are improving this site.

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  • AddieB
    AddieB · 28-06-13 13:51 · do góry^

    Oh, it look so much better in the new pictures! Most importantly, is the bra more comfortable when you put it this way?
    I hope that thanks to this experimentation you won't write Ewa's bras off, because they might give you a great fit.

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  • austenlady
    austenlady · 28-06-13 15:36 · do góry^

    The fit is so much better now but I agree that still, you need a bigger band and a smaller cup :) The band looks fairly ok in the photos now, but you can still see that there's a lot of pressure put to it - in fact, it may cause the band to stretch out much faster! Also, I think that buying a bra that is comfortable on the middle set of hooks is a better choice than buying a bra a little too tight ("'cause it'll stretch out after few wears") - extra hooks can be useful at the end of the day or after a dinner ;p
    I don't have much experience with S/SM styles, but I also think you should try them - many girls say they run a little big in the cups and that they have narrower wires than PL style :)

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 28-06-13 20:19 · do góry^

    I do prefer the cups to be the smallest possible, and I do prefer my bands to be the loosest possible, but generally for me that is tighter that others could wear it because the weight of my boobs will cause a slightly looser band to ride up. It's a shame, but as I've said before, the bands I wear really don't cause me any discomfort, and they aren't the smallest I *could* wear (like I said, I can fasten the PL Lilia without extenders... but why would I?? Ouch!!). I'm getting used to the loosened-straps fit, I like how it makes my bust look, but I do feel like the straps are going to fall off because they are still quite wide set for me (as someone else noted, I'm pretty petite!). They haven't so far though, so this may just be something to get used to!

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 28-06-13 20:22 · do góry^

    I agree, much better! I definitely won't be - everyone's told me to try S and SM, so after I get my 65H PL and post it here so that I can get more advice on what cup size to get (Ewa says 65HH would still be too big for me, other girls here advised 65HH would fit, I feel like I'd need a 65J) I'll be buying one! It does seem that generally Comexim's underwires work better for me though, and my size from them doesn't cost an extra 20 PLN, so I'll probably be buying from them more in the future as well.

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 28-06-13 20:28 · do góry^

    It's funny you say this will stretch out - I've had this bra since January and am still on the loosest hooks! It hasn't stretched really at all from when I first got it. I generally do not feel comfortable in 65 bands (I've tried them in Kris Line and Comexim) but since Ewa won't be making 60 anymore I don't have a ton of choice. Also, looking at Bratabase, some of the SM's run quite tight, so that a 65 stretches only to 74 cm, which is about how long I like my bands to be for my 66-71 cm underbust (measured very very tight and loosely). I would think about going for a smaller cup in the future as well, I think I'll get a 65J in PLs from now on, but that will be dependent on how much more my boobs grow, as in the past year they've grown 3 sizes, and the year before that they grew 3 sizes as well.

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  • emeska
    emeska · 28-06-13 20:49 · do góry^

    I think that I'm even more petite than you (look at measurements on my profile). I wear 60 and even 65 band (on the tightest hook) in Effuniaks and I definetely don't have any problems with too wide straps. But to be honest I must say that in 65s they are even better situated for my (rather narrow) shoulders than in 60s. So I advise - try looser band and smaller cup, in my opinion it will solve your problems ;)

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  • PinUpGirl
    PinUpGirl · 28-06-13 22:14 · do góry^

    "It's funny you say this will stretch out - I've had this bra since January and am still on the loosest hooks! It hasn't stretched really at all from when I first got it. "

    My English is rather poor and I can't write more clear :(. I wrote bands can widen, but they mustn't. Nowaday bands are rather stable, they haven't to fit good fasten on first hooks only, it is not necessary. I agree with Missalchemist.

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 29-06-13 05:11 · do góry^

    Oh, I don't have a problem with the straps in this style, I only had it with the CH (and that bra wasn't fixable by lengthening the straps!). Though since Ewa isn't making 60 bands anymore, you will be seeing me in 65J's in the PL in the future probably!

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 29-06-13 05:13 · do góry^

    Oh, I see what you're saying now! I can actually wear this on tightest hooks comfortably too, but choose not to because it stays stable on the loosest hooks just fine. I see what you're saying though! But my band size isn't really even an issue any more since Ewa won't be making anymore 60 bands :P 65 for me from now on I guess!

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 29-06-13 06:16 · do góry^

    Also, I think the strap issue really comes about in the very large cup sizes on smaller bands. I have friends who have bras in 60H, 60HH, 60J, and they say the straps only became an issue on the 60J's. Most of the women I know who wear below an H cup on a 60 or 65 band haven't really had any strap issues.

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  • PinUpGirl
    PinUpGirl · 29-06-13 20:17 · do góry^

    I think you can look at Pampi. She is really petite, she has only 59 cm under bust and she has a big bust, below an H cup, but she wears her really size band.

    http://balkonetka.pl/katalog/user/Pam...

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 29-06-13 22:24 · do góry^

    This is what I mean, I don't know anyone who has this problem below an H cup, so it's not surprising that Pampi doesn't have the problem. I've only seen it in the HH-K range, which in the English market is who is buying Ewa the most, because so few British brands make these sizes in padded or plunge bras.

    Obviously we'll see how the 65 band works for me though, not trying to say 100% that it won't!

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  • PinUpGirl
    PinUpGirl · 29-06-13 23:33 · do góry^

    Yes, but if she decide to wear a band 55 or 50 and take a larger cup, she maybe has the same problem. Pampi have a smaller bust than you, but her boobs must weigt too.
    I don't know, are yours band to tight or not, is your caps size fit good. But you can read an another point of view and think about it. Nobody knows your body better than you, we just try to warn girls in UK and US (not specially you) about some mistakes. Our view was similar, and we also complained about wires, straps etc.

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 30-06-13 06:58 · do góry^

    This is true. I have already learned some things here that I will take into consideration - such as loosening my straps more! And I do know that there are SOME women who wear their bands much too tightly, I just don't think of myself as one of them because I'm not ever uncomfortable and I have room to breathe :) Now that I loosen my straps I will probably go down a cup size though, I like the look of less coverage anyway :) And since Ewa no longer makes 60 bands, I'll buy a 65 from her and see how well it fits, and if it fits well then I'll have more 65s.

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  • vesela_krava
    vesela_krava · 30-06-13 09:01 · do góry^

    if Pampi went down to a 55 band she would need the 55h. and if she went down to 50, this would be the 50hh so it's highly probable that she could encounter the same problems as you do in this size:) what Ewa is trying to explain, is that in a good size her bras fit perfectly, don't dig anywhere are there's no straps issue.
    I don't think you need a 60 band since you measure 68 cm underbust. What you don't know (yet;) is that your band CAN (and should) be looser and afford a great support at the same time provided that the cup isn't too big, like in this case, and your straps not shortened excessively. if you go down one cup size, you'll no longer complain about too high cups or the straps trying to fall off (they are wide set because the cups are too big).

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  • vesela_krava
    vesela_krava · 30-06-13 09:02 · do góry^

    oh, and if she went down to a 50 cm band, the cups would be too small, so automatically she would need a 50j ;-)

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  • PinUpGirl
    PinUpGirl · 30-06-13 13:08 · do góry^

    "if Pampi went down to a 55 band she would need the 55h. and if she went down to 50, this would be the 50hh

    oh, and if she went down to a 50 cm band, the cups would be too small, so automatically she would need a 50j ;-)"

    That's right, or some largers caps, becouse caps would be too shallow and she would feel a thight band like too small caps :).

    "This is true. I have already learned some things here that I will take into consideration - such as loosening my straps more! And I do know that there are SOME women who wear their bands much too tightly, I just don't think of myself as one of them because I'm not ever uncomfortable and I have room to breathe :) Now that I loosen my straps I will probably go down a cup size though, I like the look of less coverage anyway :) "

    I beleve you :). A comfort is the more important matter so if you feel yours bra comfortable, you can wear it, why not. Maybe you aren't compatible with this brand, or maybe another size would fit better. I can't to decide this question definitely, I only can give you same tips and suggestions.

    Yesterday Ewa Michalak publishes an article on her blog:
    ewamichalak.blogspot.com/2013/06/klient-ma-zawsze-racje.html
    I'm not a really fan this brand (as I wrote, her bras have often too narrow wires for me and I prefer a more natural shape of boobs and less exhibit), I know Ewa has sometimes hard contacts with her customers and she always talks, what she thinks. She couldn't be a diplomat ;). But she's a really good constructor.
    However, this article is in Polish, but photos can speak very much. That example is a little exaggerated, but can show same issues.

    Ewa shows in both size bra a band is equal tight:
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rCZX5h1-2Jk... - 70KK
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DzGbzGBJ8uw... - 90F

    In 90F straps are closer then in 70KK, and to they wouldn't slide
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YoIjtNxiKnc... -70KK
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8tJiLN1hRdA... - 90F

    And, the most important :D, a view on front is more sexy in 90F, less coverage:
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eGWDAuhaCv4... -70KK
    2.bp.blogspot.com/-_F5WNFdBt_M/Uc4V7nPahLI/AAAAAAAAATg/sOWufHgZ8Iw/s1600/DSC_0160.JPG - 70KK
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Xg7U0FKs_aU... - 90F
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qQV73NY7_Ec... - 90F

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 02-07-13 10:00 · do góry^

    Yes, I saw the article! My only issues with it were the issues that everyone else who commented had issue with - the strap problem was something that was only mentioned on women who have underbusts under 75 cm, and British sizing would NEVER have put that woman in a 70 band! (Seriously though, ouch!!!!!!!) We would have put her in an 80 or maybe even 85, and that's a big difference.

    The principle is still the same, but I wish she would've used a model that was more suited to the people who were actually complaining about it. And I wish she wouldn't have exaggerated the size as much, as putting that woman in such a small band didn't give an accurate representation of the sizes we're wearing that cause the problem.

    On a different note, I noticed today on her website where on the calculator page it says if your breasts are shaped like UU or OO you might have to add a few cups to the calculator size, and mine definitely are UU (or even OO)! We'll have to see how the 65H fits when it gets here, but I seriously think I need a 65HH in CH/CHP/HP and 65J in PL based on how my PL Mak fits. We'll see though!

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  • PinUpGirl
    PinUpGirl · 02-07-13 13:15 · do góry^

    "My only issues with it were the issues that everyone else who commented had issue with - the strap problem was something that was only mentioned on women who have underbusts under 75 cm, and British sizing would NEVER have put that woman in a 70 band!"

    I believe you. That example is exaggerated. But, as our buddy joked few years ago "I coud fasten every size band... provided wiht enought big cups" ;). You can see, that's girl with UB measurement above 90cm can fasten band size 70, even she cound feel this bra loose and nearly unstable, beacuse caps are too large for her. That's may happend in every size. EM's construction are respected in Poland, also by busty girsl with a really small UB measurement, but, of course, they are not fit everyone.
    So I also know, the market's situation in US is not perfect... In Poland we have really more options. I know it's not easy, when you have to order your bras from abroad, sometimes without an opportunity to return. That's not encouraging to experiment. But sometimes a little modification of a configuration caps and band size can makes a bra more comfotable, more supported and good looking.

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  • rhoffman3769
    rhoffman3769 · 02-07-13 15:51 · do góry^

    That is true, I was very surprised that the woman was even able to fasten the band, and so it makes sense that the too large cups allowed it. I wonder though if other women were experiencing empty space in the top of their cups like Ewa showed on the model? I didn't with this bra, even with the straps loosened, the empty space was closer to the middle of the cups instead of near the straps (and fixed by the push up pads). I just wish she'd used a more accurate representation of those who were having the problem, it would have made more people take it more seriously.

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  • vesela_krava
    vesela_krava · 02-07-13 17:50 · do góry^

    http://www.bratabase.com/troubleshoot... on these photos we have a model who measures 82 cm underbust and she's wearing a 70 EM band - just unimaginable for me! I think that this model is representing exactly the same fit issue that EM showed in her latest post on the blog. the band is too tight and the cups at least 1 size too big. and some user say :
    "i think this is the best EM fit I've seen on you so far"
    or
    "I wouldn't go down one cup size if I were you"

    So, I don't think Ewa's exaggerating so much;) And putting her model in a 80 or 85 band would be also a very bad idea, there's no need to downsize so much with these bras.

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  • Dareczek
    Dareczek · 02-03-15 15:57 · do góry^

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